To upgrade from a lower class of service, such . All Air France planes are scheduled to have the new product by the summer of 2017. On Air France the flight to Europe will be covered by the EU261 rules, on Delta it will not be. Its a multi-course experience, beginning with starter options like vegetable salad, bread rolls with French butter, seafood, or Foie gras. Its topped off with dessert including Deltas famous sundae. You can pick seats, always through the Air France site, sometimes in the Delta app. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Wonderful posts and responses. Second that! Aside from fantastic seats, you get premium lounge access including priority check-in or boarding. These airlines feature redesigned business products to deliver comfortable and stylish new seats and superb amenities while ensuring a lavish journey for their passengers. Meanwhile, Delta One is technically Deltas business class offering. She said she had used AAdvantage miles because she travels a lot for work. The lowest tier for surfing or emails starts at $6.95 per hour and climbs to $12.95 per hour plans. Guests can also request coffee or pastries if they opt to skip breakfast. Rest of Europe I'd say KLM because of the better seats than AF (though I'd say AF once refurbishment is completed), the strong regional network (especially in Scandinavia and the UK), Schiphol being a better airport than CDG and FCO combined and tge Delft houses which are a reason to fly in itself. Sadly, I wasn't the one who made the bookings (my sister did). I arrived at the boarding gate for CDG-LAX while the A380 was still there, but I was told I was too late and nothing could be done. I would say Virgin Atlantic Upper Class is the one to go with, or if unable, KLM is a good plan B. Alitalia isn't too bad, but with the staggered, narrow seats, it's not comfortable for either a day or night flight (but their soft product is definitely better than other SkyTeam airlines (I'm looking at you, Delta and Air France. So, before booking, here is what you need to know about how they compare. Meanwhile, the company will have to cut emissions by half in 2024 for flights within mainland France. I generally shop by price and fly main cabin, so in the big picture, it doesn't matter. All rights reserved. if you do some Google, Air France's premium econ seats are pretty well reviled. I very much enjoy reading it and all of your posts before. 2023 Rick Steves' Europe, Inc. | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy. Frankly DL's reverse herringbone business class on their A330 (which is used on many US-Europe routes) is probably only surpassed by the new AF Business Class. Even if the you have flown an airline multiple times, there can always be the "one off day." Anyway, you should probably listen to Tiffany because she knows WAY more than I do, but I thought it might be helpful to provide my itinerary I took last December over Christmas. In 52 countries on 6 continents, Delta serves 325 destinations as its carrier flies as many as 200 million passengers in a year. SINGAPORE AIRLINES . But if you fly via Atlanta, there are currently 4 flights to Paris (2 operated by Delta and 2 by AF) Also if you fly via JFK, there are 6 AF/DL flights to Paris, 4 operated by AF and 2 operated by Delta. There's also the overlooked Air Europa for Skyteam although there may be a good reason why they are overlooked Nice article! Delta cabins are as comfortable as they come. A white tablecloth is laid out first a simple but often overlooked touch in other business class cabins. As for baggage policies, it depends on the ticket you buy and whether you have purchased some exclusive reward programs like a Delta credit card or the Medallion elite status. Out of the 9 hubs it has, Atlanta is the largest in terms of departure numbers and total passengers. @Euro: Yes. If youre looking to stay connected during the flight, Delta has several options for Wi-Fi. I hope that this is helpful. It had a great amount of thoughtful detail clearly explained. Air France business or first class prices for my destinations have typically been less expensive (connecting flight itineraries). It's due to the amount of miles required for Delta that my flights are now in AF or Virgin Atlantic, both Sky Team members that charge many fewer miles or $. Anyway, back to KLM, I found the FAs to be extremely pleasant, knowledgeable, and eager to keep the passengers happy. When you fly Air France business class from their hub in Charles de Gaulle Airport (CDG), you receive free access to the newest Air France lounge at Terminal 2E. These are angled seats, angled towards the window, or angled toward each other, if in the middle. Business class sits directly behind the exclusive, four-seat La Premiere first-class cabin. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. So depending on the route, the exact time of the flight and connection, you could end up flying with either. Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. As for ticket modification and flight change, the fare conditions related to your ticket determine this. Its not the best but comes with decent performance. All the seats lie flat and come with a pull-out table for working and dining. There is a USB port to power up your phone. Thanks SO MUCH for the post! There are pastries, yogurt, salads, or an omelet. Maybe it's the esthetiques. Image Credit: Delta Air Lines. I loved this post! If you are a resident of another country or region, please select the appropriate version of Tripadvisor for your country or region in the drop-down menu. You have successfully joined our subscriber list. The biggest issue, however, is that the old Air France business class product is dated and uncomfortable. Air France also operates an A380 with an older first class cabin while SWISS operates an A340 with an older first class cabin. I personally prefer Delta overall. It's very different from Delta domestic first class, where most will not even exchange a quick hello. Keep overlooking as far as Air Europa is concerned ;-). Is the flight just sold-out on miles, or is Delta hiding non-Delta inventory? It's deliberately misleading, you still get sky priority security, advance seat selection, lounges, boarding, +1 bag (light ticket has 0 bags if you don't have status), etc. Recently returned from Kiev flying r/t on Austrian 767 biz . Its followed by a cheese plate. I want to go back to South Africa again, and would happily use KLM, but options seemed to be better for VS, ergo my seeking out this site. Even their short Euro flight had a decent meal. Their Delta One business class is a premium cabin with excellent seats and plenty of storage. Image Credit: Delta Air Lines, Delta Air Lines Delta One Business Class Overview. Staying in the Basic Economy with no elite status or an airline credit card means you will incur fees for checked luggage wherever you fly. Air France 777 Business Class Seat Most of Air France's 777s including the one I flew have a 1-2-1-across reverse herringbone seat that gives you TONS of space and solid privacy. Delta One Business Class A350. If Air France operates a short-haul flight from Paris (CDG) to Nice (NCE), its business class seats are simply economy seats with the middle seat blocked off. The Delta Air Lines seats pictured above, for example, are roughly 4 inches to 5 inches wider than what you'll find in economy, as Delta (and other airlines) cram fewer seats per row into domestic first class. I really enjoyed your previous posts. So lets go through the four main transatlantic options when redeeming Delta miles. Premium Economy: Price. I have no idea what model planes, but I found them all to be very uncomfortable (both the seats themselves as ell as the space) and the crew (ground and air) less friendly than Delta. Or is that a gay thing like Lucky Ben and The Points Guy? Business class passengers each have a personal 16-inch high-definition touchscreen. Based on your West Coast experience, what airline would you choose for this itinerary based on ease of finding and booking award space preferably in F or business? Meanwhile, I could not get anyone to refill my water. I will note though that you left off Delta themselves, which can still be available at the Tier 1 number of miles on many TATL routes if you book well in advance. Kinda like when United was digesting Continental and it was always a crapshoot. The fuel surcharges can be a bummer on Virgin, but the others are pretty reasonable. I asked about an upgrade to First for my trouble and delay, but AF said it was not possible, even though that cabin turned out to be empty. A noise-reducing headset is also available on the seat but the monitor has Bluetooth capacity so you can use your headset if you like. I am flying out of LAX tonight on AF69 (777-300ER) business class, and found it still has old 2-3-2 configuration. If you are on a long-haul flight, you will be served complimentary champagne and drinks in every class. I hope that this is helpful. The second option being Delta about a 767-400ER. Air Frances service is fantastic. differences between first and business class, Quick Glance: Air France Business Class vs. Delta One Business Class, The Details: Air France Business Class vs. Delta One Business Class. Am starting to collect Citi Thank You Rewards as well. My preferred airline is Delta. Seriously, though, Tiffany-- fantastic post. Made from recycled plastic, guests have praised it for being extremely comfortable and perfect for sleeping. Delta has Basic Economy, Main Cabin, Comfort, Premium Select, Delta First, and Delta One. Whether you choose one or the other, both these airlines will ensure youll have a fantastic flight wherever you head off to. The meal service starts shortly after takeoff. I am still eager to try VS and Alitalia (which I have only taken intra-Europe), and hope I'll have a chance to fly Korean before Delta severs its alliance completely. In this post, I will be discussing how they differ in services rendered. I able to compare the two last year with Virgin on the flight to Manchester (old plane, crap seating and running out of choices to eat and being told that if I really wanted beef that they'd get me a beef stew from coach. Inside is a multitude of seating spaces, from individual chairs to loungers, couches, and recliners. We flew BC with Delta (domestic), KLM and AF (both transatlantic and within Europe).last year. As I mentioned above, Air France's A350s have different business-class seats from the newest product that the airline has been installing on its fleet of Boeing 777s and 787s as well as its Airbus A330s. Re: Delta One Suites vs. Air France Business Class Jun 29, 2022, 1:57 AM Save They are both comfortable seats. AF356 leaves Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 1415, arriving in Toronto at 1745, a flight of around seven hours and thirty minutes . Swiss recently added the Boeing 777 to its fleet, which features a re-designed cabin interior with top comfort and visual appeal in all three classes. delta flies the airbus A330 and AF the airbus A350. As long as you avoid the oldest products on each carrier, you really cant go wrong with any of these options. I've flown the ER many times; from NY as well as Cincinnati/CDG. Peter is the editor of France Travel Blog. This hasn't been true for me recently. I feel it is hype over substance. I seem to remember that used to be true. I have flown Air France, on the sloped sleeper seats. I was just wondering if one had nicer planes and better customer service than the other. In the meantime, Alitalia is probably my overall favorite option for redeeming SkyMiles to Europe. Air France is the only airline to offer a Business class service in France. Have fun in Aukland and I hope you enjoy your trip as much as I did! Otherwise, no discernable difference between AF, KLM, and Delta other than things like movie choice (many more foreign films on KLM and AF, of course) and drink and food choices vary. Great report and great style of writing. -When you say KLM's service is "adorably Dutch," what you mean to say is "indifferent, gruff, borderline German". Air France and Delta Air Lines are two of the biggest carriers in the aviation world. In terms of the soft product, KLM has quality catering, andby far the best dinnerware. Image Credit: Delta. We generally recommend a flexible points currency such as American Express Membership Rewards or Starwood Preferred Guest, as both programs allow you to transfer your points to Delta without being committed to SkyMiles. How do you feel it compares to the other partners? I did find that, for all hour KLM flights, my stranger-seatmates were delightful. I know they are partners, and their fares are the same. Delta Air Lines Delta One Business Class Front View. Part of the fun of flying is looking out the window, and that's a strain, particularly on the latter. This topic has been closed to new posts due to inactivity.